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At Night, from the album Seventeen Seconds written by The Cure (Smith/Gallup/Hartley/Tolhurst). I’ve put this on my profile as my ...


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    At Night

    At Night, from the album Seventeen Seconds
    written by The Cure (Smith/Gallup/Hartley/Tolhurst).

    I’ve put this on my profile as my favorite Cure song. Actually, I don’t know if it or not. I prefer not to choose. However, it might be the first Cure song that I felt passionate about. I still do. I was teased by my family for listening to it so often at one point. “At Night” also seems to seldom come up on other people’s short-lists of Cure favorites, so I feel more inclined to want to defend it. No use extolling the virtues of “A Forest,” everyone here would recognizes it as great already.

    Still, figuring out how to write an interpretation of a song seems confusing to me. How do you separate your own feelings about the song from its intended meaning? Also, how do you separate the song from the context of the album, the status of the group at the time, and other factors? That’s probably why I don’t do this sort of thing very often, I imagine.

    First, a word about Seventeen Seconds: This album, as all of you know, comes after their debut album, Three Imaginary Boys, with which I only recently became acquainted. I really like it, but it’s definitely very different from anything the band has ever done since. I recall reading Robert commenting on it later, being dissatisfied with the “superficial” tone of the songs. With this backdrop, it should be clear that Robert was intending something more substantial with this album, and he achieved it, with limited studio time, and very little by way of production. The songs are strikingly simple in structure and arrangement—simple broken guitar chord progressions, complementary bass riffs, little by way of effects, and basic, basic percussion. Yet, the songs are immensely engaging, full of feeling, and they fit together thematically. It’s a pleasure to listen to this album from beginning to end. Even though I prefer Pornography because of the dense sound and surreal mood achieved on that more technically-advanced album, I still think the 17S songs themselves are essentially better.

    Interestingly, “A Forest” was actually called “At Night” when it was performed before the album, suggesting that “At Night” was perhaps one of the later songs Robert composed. The themes of loneliness and darkness are developed in both songs. While “A Forest” is the most polished and elaborate song of the album, “At Night” starts out without ceremony: a basic Lol beat (DA da, DA-da) that really never changes that I’ve noticed, and a fuzz bass chord (a 7th followed by an octave). Soon, a somber keyboard joins in, followed by:

    Sunk deep in the night
    I sink in the night
    Standing alone underneath the sky
    I feel the chill of ice
    On my face
    I watch the hours go by

    The hours go by...


    Ok, it’s night, he’s alone, it’s cold. So why is he staying out there for hours? Clearly, he’s referring to an emotional state that is dark, isolated, and without comfort. Still, we might ask why he stays there…

    You sleep
    Sleep in a safe bed
    Curled and protected
    Protected from sight
    Under a safe roof
    Deep in your house
    Unaware of the changes at night
    At night


    There’s an alternative. Of course, the normal thing to do is to seek shelter, warmth, protection. It’s hard for me not to think about what Robert has said about his emotional state during the 1980-82 time period while the awesome trilogy was recorded, and wonder if this song is about himself. In hindsight, we know that Robert was going to spend the next two years or so fighting his own “night of the soul” that would culminate in the Pornography album.

    Those who are able, seek the safety of home, and keep themselves unaware of the dark side, whether it be their own dark natures or the depravity that exists in the world. To a certain extent, this is adaptive. The psychological literature has suggested that depressed people see the world more accurately than optimists or non-depressed people. The saying “ignorance is bliss” is not without merit. Then there’s always that thin line between genius and madness. Being blessed with a keen mind isn’t always such a blessing, for you become more intensely aware of reality, and it becomes more difficult to ignore the human condition, the inevitability of your own demise, and the depths of suffering in this world.

    This hypothesis is developed in a recent book by Nassir Ghaemi, A First-Rate Madness, in which he posits that famous individuals who have excelled in crisis conditions are able to do so because the unique perspective afforded by their acute awareness of suffering. (I’m oversimplifying here, but my point is that there does seem to be a connection between great minds and mental suffering.)

    As these themes are developed, notice how Simon’s repeating distorted bass line contrasts with the lovely polyphonic woodwind sounds that add depth over the course of the song, almost as if it were a battle between despair and hope, darkness and light. Robert’s guitar adds a brilliant twist as we notice his chords are dissonant and clashing with the other voices, suggesting a mind out of harmony, confusion, perhaps losing hold on reality.

    I hear the darkness breathe
    I sense the quiet despair
    Listen to the silence
    At night
    Someone has to be there
    Someone has to be there

    Someone must be there


    Then this. A heart-rending opening to the final verse, as he feels himself being enveloped by dark forces, feeling utterly alone. It’s at this point that I believe the song reaches another level of meaning. There has to be someone who understands! He’s still looking when the song ends, so we don’t get to find out what happens in the end. It may well be that the lyricist himself doesn’t know, and this is what is so frightening about these “nights.” They’re not like literal nights that will end at their appointed time. For they seem as though they’ll never end. For some, they never do.

    This song never fails to have a profound impact on me. Thank you, Robert, for writing it. Because of “At Night,” ironically, I get the feeling that there is always someone out there.
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    There is always someone out there.
    What an amazing post! & thankyou. This album is (to me) a masterpiece.
    At Night has just taken on a whole new meaning.
    Going to put it on now to absorb some darkness.
    Cheers.
    Steve
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    I have to say that I wish that I was as good at analysing songs as you are, Alscai. This is a fantastic post that has helped me understand my favourite song from Seventeen Seconds so much better. Thank you.
    She was crying and crying for a girl
    Who died so many years before...

    You performed your story
    Noiselessly across the floor
    Dancing at the funeral party

    Oh Fucshia!
    You leave me
    Breathing like the drowning man

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    Fantastic post alscai! Thankyou very much

    Seventeen Seconds has always been a special album to me, but I have to say I was completely unprepared for how hard it hit me at last year's Reflections shows.
    For me, At Night has always invoked feelings of being lost, alone and completely isolated, knowing there has to be someone else feeling the same way or someone who can help you but having no idea how to find them..your interpretation is so brilliantly thought out - thankyou!


    Quote Originally Posted by alscai View Post
    How do you separate your own feelings about the song from its intended meaning?
    Personally, I don't know if we should. I know I don't. I don't think we'll ever know the intended meaning of most of Robert's lyrics. And we'll never truly know if they were based on personal experience, or just a thought, or possibly even something he read. Robert is a master story teller with a gift for engaging his audience. To me, it's how it makes you feel and what it makes you think, that's most important
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    Really enjoyed reading this.
    If I thought I could write even halfway eloquently enough to describe what Seventeen Seconds means to me I'd give it a go, but I don't think I'd even come close ....

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    Wow, thanks for the kind words! It seemed that there were so many more things I could've written, but I didn't want it to turn into a dissertation and get too boring. I'm glad to hear that people feel the same way about 17s as I do. For me, the most amazing thing is listening to live versions of At Night performed during the Pornography era--the brilliance of the song combined with the brilliance of their late sound. There's a YouTube version from concert in Paris in 1982 (I think) that's wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alscai View Post
    There's a YouTube version from concert in Paris in 1982 (I think) that's wonderful.
    Paris 1982 is a seriously brilliant concert! I really recommend getting your hands on a copy if you haven't already
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    A truly magnificent post! At Night is my second favorite song on Seventeen Seconds only to A Forest which I think is darker still. And yes, you are quite the articulate writer!
    "Fantasy is always better than reality."

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    Thanks for the analysis, very thought provoking. One of my favorite songs at the moment too.

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    I'm sure you guys already knew that the song was inspired by Franz Kafka's very short story "At Night," but here it is:

    At Night- by Franz Kafka
    Deeply lost in the night.
    Just as one sometimes lowers one’s head to reflect, thus to be utterly lost in the night.
    All around people are asleep.
    Its just play-acting, an innocent self- deception, that they sleep in houses, in safe beds, under a safe roof, stretched out or curled up on mattresses, in sheets, under blankets; in reality they have flocked together as they had once upon a time and again later in a deserted region, a camp in the open, a countless number of men, an army, a people, under a cold sky on cold earth, collapsed where once they had stood, forehead pressed on the arm, face to the ground, breathing quietly.
    And you are watching, are one of the watchmen, you find the next one by brandishing a burning stick from the brushwood pile beside you.
    Why are you watching?
    Someone must watch, it is said.
    Someone must be there.

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